WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:07.000 Okay. 00:00:07.000 --> 00:00:16.000 We're just gonna give it one moment. We're gonna record this session. 00:00:16.000 --> 00:00:26.000 Alright, welcome to the, division of biological infrastructure virtual office hours. We're gonna introduce ourselves really quickly and then get going on the presentation. 00:00:26.000 --> 00:00:27.000 So my name is Joel Abraham. I'm a rotating, program director here in the division of biological infrastructure. 00:00:27.000 --> 00:00:38.000 The programs I work on tend to be in biology and education space as well as the post doctoral research. 00:00:38.000 --> 00:00:42.000 Program and so I'm gonna pass it on to Dan Marinda. Okay. 00:00:42.000 --> 00:00:49.000 Hi everybody. My name is Dan Miranda. I'm a permanent program officer here in the Division of Biological Infrastructure. 00:00:49.000 --> 00:01:07.000 And I'm currently working in what's called the Safari Cluster, which is centers, facilities and institutes where I work on the biology integration institutes and the new synthesis center proposals for iOS division. 00:01:07.000 --> 00:01:08.000 Thank you, Dan. And Reed. 00:01:08.000 --> 00:01:10.000 Happy to be here. 00:01:10.000 --> 00:01:15.000 Hi, good afternoon, everyone. It's a pleasure to be here with you. I am in also in the division of biological infrastructure in our research resources. 00:01:15.000 --> 00:01:24.000 And I'm a permanent program officer. 00:01:24.000 --> 00:01:27.000 Great, Jennifer. 00:01:27.000 --> 00:01:34.000 Oh, that was a hangar on. Sorry. Hi, welcome everybody. Thank you for joining us on a very hot day here in DC. 00:01:34.000 --> 00:01:35.000 Okay. 00:01:35.000 --> 00:01:48.000 I am also a permanent program officer in research resources with Reed. I like to be around to hear questions and answer them and also to just let you know if you have questions about further up to scale and career awards in mid-career advancement. 00:01:48.000 --> 00:01:53.000 I manage those. So I'm always happy to take questions from anybody. Thanks. 00:01:53.000 --> 00:01:55.000 Great. And Sally. 00:01:55.000 --> 00:01:58.000 Good afternoon, everyone. Thank you for coming. Sally O'connor. I'm a program officer in the division of biological infrastructure. 00:01:58.000 --> 00:02:14.000 I used to manage the RU sites program. And I am the graduate research fellowship program GRFP. 00:02:14.000 --> 00:02:16.000 Person for bio. Thank you. 00:02:16.000 --> 00:02:23.000 Hey, thanks, Sally. And we have 2 guests today who are gonna be presenting on the graduate research fellowship program. 00:02:23.000 --> 00:02:26.000 So we have John on. 00:02:26.000 --> 00:02:35.000 Hi, I'm Sean. I'm the program made for GRFP. I'm a per-minute program officer in the division of graduate education. 00:02:35.000 --> 00:02:40.000 And I'm a neuroscientist by trading. 00:02:40.000 --> 00:02:49.000 And my name is Joel Shelblock. I'm a rotator, a rotating, program director working with the graduate research fellowship program. 00:02:49.000 --> 00:03:00.000 Actually on leave from Hopkins and not so long ago I was actually running one of the RU sites that my Good friend, Dr. 00:03:00.000 --> 00:03:06.000 O'connor was the program director for and made such, she made such a favorable impression. 00:03:06.000 --> 00:03:09.000 Here I am. 00:03:09.000 --> 00:03:23.000 Okay, well I'm bookinged by Jules. So here we go. 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Okay, at this point I'm gonna go ahead and pass it over to my colleagues to present on the GRFP. 00:04:47.000 --> 00:04:57.000 Well, thank you very much. So my colleague, Dr. H and I would like to describe to you the graduate research fellowship program. 00:04:57.000 --> 00:05:06.000 If after. This presentation, you have any questions that haven't been answered or you're looking for more information. 00:05:06.000 --> 00:05:17.000 Either for you as an applicant or as a reference writer. Or potentially a reviewer, you can go to NSFGRFP. 00:05:17.000 --> 00:05:27.000 Dot org. That is a site that we have that's devoted to the Graduate Research Fellowship program and providing a lot of really valuable information. 00:05:27.000 --> 00:05:33.000 Okay, next slide. 00:05:33.000 --> 00:05:41.000 So we're located in the. Directorate for STEM education, specifically the Division of Graduate Education. 00:05:41.000 --> 00:05:50.000 And as I mentioned, we've got a couple of great resources. One of those being the NSF grfp.org. 00:05:50.000 --> 00:06:11.000 Website. We also have one that's within the NSF. world@nsf.gov slash GRFP and if those sites Leave you with unanswered questions while we've got the info at NSFGRFP. 00:06:11.000 --> 00:06:14.000 Dot org. 00:06:14.000 --> 00:06:25.000 Email address you can shoot questions there to get answers about against applications or serving as a reviewer or writing a reference letter. 00:06:25.000 --> 00:06:28.000 Okay, next slide. 00:06:28.000 --> 00:06:40.000 So just briefly to take through what we're going to address today. We're going to give you some general information about the program and then get into a bit more detailed description of it. 00:06:40.000 --> 00:06:54.000 Then describe eligibility for applicants and also degree programs. That are ineligible. Or areas of study that we don't support. 00:06:54.000 --> 00:07:05.000 And then we'll finish it up with a description of the application package and then importantly the review criteria because if you're writing an application you want to know what reviewers are looking for. 00:07:05.000 --> 00:07:10.000 Okay, next slide. 00:07:10.000 --> 00:07:30.000 So in the Graduate Research Fellowship program, we have a couple of goals. Now this is a fellowship program that is intended to recruit individuals in science, technology, engineering, and mathematics or STEM fields that would also include STEM education. 00:07:30.000 --> 00:07:38.000 And these goals are more specifically to select, recognize, and financially support individuals who have demolished the potential. 00:07:38.000 --> 00:07:52.000 To be high achieving scientists and engineers early in their career. And I emphasize potential and early. Because The applicants are going to be. 00:07:52.000 --> 00:08:05.000 Senior undergraduates or people who are very early on in their graduate careers. And another goal is to broaden participation of the full spectrum of diverse talent that society has to offer. 00:08:05.000 --> 00:08:14.000 Which would include underrepresented and underserved communities. Okay, next slide. 00:08:14.000 --> 00:08:23.000 So we like to show this infographic and in part because it helps us tick through some important points about the program. 00:08:23.000 --> 00:08:30.000 The GRFP has been around since 1,952 almost to the very beginnings of the national science foundation. 00:08:30.000 --> 00:08:40.000 And in the time since over 70,000 fellowships have been awarded. We'd like to think that it's a good indication. 00:08:40.000 --> 00:08:54.000 And has a good record of identifying talent because over 40 fellows have gone on to become an Nobel laureates and over 450 have become members of the National Academy of Sciences. 00:08:54.000 --> 00:09:02.000 Now, great. That's all wonderful. But if you're an applicant, you might be wondering, what, what the finances look like. 00:09:02.000 --> 00:09:12.000 So. There is a five-year fellowship period for fellows. And within that, there are 3 years of financial support. 00:09:12.000 --> 00:09:23.000 And that financial support includes a 30,000 $37,000 annual stipend. That will go to the fellow. 00:09:23.000 --> 00:09:36.000 And there's a $16,000 cost of education allowance. That goes to the institution. And the important thing to know about that is that the cost of education allowance. 00:09:36.000 --> 00:09:50.000 Is in lieu of tuition and fees. So the fellows are not responsible in those 3 years for the difference between this cost of education allowance and say tuition. 00:09:50.000 --> 00:09:58.000 It's not. Easy to win one of these things. So every year we have over 12,000 applicants and. 00:09:58.000 --> 00:10:12.000 Will offer 2,000 or above fellowships. But if you do get it, one of the advantages is that there is no postgraduate study service requirement, meaning. 00:10:12.000 --> 00:10:21.000 You're not required to, for example, work for the government afterwards. This is money to support your graduate education. 00:10:21.000 --> 00:10:41.000 It's open to individuals pursuing research based masters and doctoral degrees. And Just, to point out over the lower right hand corner, you've got the eligible major fields of study and they're what you would expect, you know, chemistry, engineering, and so on. 00:10:41.000 --> 00:10:51.000 But let me point out that it also includes psychology. And social sciences, you know, economics, political science. 00:10:51.000 --> 00:10:59.000 And STEM education and learning research. Alright, next slide. 00:10:59.000 --> 00:11:09.000 So again. You get in this 5 year fellowship period. 3 years of support. 00:11:09.000 --> 00:11:18.000 And, that would be $37,000 in stipend. $16,000 educational allowance going to the institution. 00:11:18.000 --> 00:11:27.000 Another important thing is that if you are a fellow, that means that you are eligible for other. NSF opportunities. 00:11:27.000 --> 00:11:36.000 These would include participating in intern, which is a supplementary funding program that supports our fellows as they. 00:11:36.000 --> 00:11:51.000 Intern at non-academic post sites. And then there there's the facet program that's to provide individuals with disabilities with some support. 00:11:51.000 --> 00:11:59.000 Equipment, things of that nature. There's also the career life balance initiative, which helps provide support. 00:11:59.000 --> 00:12:09.000 To say a fellow who has to take time off. For example, to. Engage in some familiar care. 00:12:09.000 --> 00:12:15.000 Okay, next slide. 00:12:15.000 --> 00:12:25.000 So there are a few things that you should keep front of mind. So one of these is that this is a fellowship and it's awarded to the individual. 00:12:25.000 --> 00:12:34.000 Now the payment and the details the oversight that's through the graduate institution. But it is an award to the individual. 00:12:34.000 --> 00:12:38.000 And. That means that. 00:12:38.000 --> 00:12:48.000 It is. Up to the fellow in coordination with their graduate program and their advisor to choose their own project. 00:12:48.000 --> 00:12:56.000 So NSF doesn't tell you what project to pursue, what advisor to pursue, or which particular, institution. 00:12:56.000 --> 00:13:05.000 Institutions graduate program to enter. As I mentioned, it's unrestricted. There's no service requirement after you complete. 00:13:05.000 --> 00:13:14.000 The fellowship period and its portable. So. For what ever reason, if you, with authorization from MSF, because you would have to seek that out. 00:13:14.000 --> 00:13:24.000 But if you would like to transfer. To a different. It's institution of higher education. 00:13:24.000 --> 00:13:33.000 You can do that and the fellowship would go with you. So as long as you stay with an accredited non-profit US institution. 00:13:33.000 --> 00:13:42.000 And you stay within a research-based masters and doctoral degree program. That that fellowship, is portable. 00:13:42.000 --> 00:13:48.000 Okay, next slide. 00:13:48.000 --> 00:14:04.000 Okay. So I will point out that we actually have a brand new solicitation. And we don't have the number up here, but if you go searching to go to your favorite search engine, plugin. 00:14:04.000 --> 00:14:13.000 And that's an, GRFP and solicitation and look for the solicitation that starts with a 2 4. 00:14:13.000 --> 00:14:19.000 You will find the latest one and that will have, updates on. Deadlines and things of this nature. 00:14:19.000 --> 00:14:20.000 So please seek it out. The solicitation if you don't know is sort of the rules of the road. 00:14:20.000 --> 00:14:31.000 So this is how you apply. How an application is assessed things of this nature. So it's very important. 00:14:31.000 --> 00:14:34.000 I to become familiar with that. 00:14:34.000 --> 00:14:41.000 So as far as eligibility goes, you would need to be a US citizen, national or permanent resident. 00:14:41.000 --> 00:14:50.000 You would need to be early in your career and we'll go over that in a second. You would need to be pursuing a research based masters or doctoral degree program. 00:14:50.000 --> 00:14:57.000 So there's no professional degrees, no MDs. No MBAs. 00:14:57.000 --> 00:15:11.000 The areas supported the fields would be those in STEM or STEM education. And this does require full-time enrollment in a graduate degree program at, again, an accredited nonprofit US Institution of Higher Learning. 00:15:11.000 --> 00:15:22.000 Unfortunately, it's you would not be allowed to take a fellowship to a institution of higher education in another country. 00:15:22.000 --> 00:15:28.000 Now about the eligibility and being. Early on in your. Graduate career. 00:15:28.000 --> 00:15:39.000 So we We categorize. Applicants according to level. 00:15:39.000 --> 00:15:48.000 So our level ones, those would be students who have not yet finished. Their undergraduate studies, but would in time to join a graduate program. 00:15:48.000 --> 00:15:58.000 The fall after they apply. And they have no. No graduate study. At times of application. 00:15:58.000 --> 00:16:06.000 Then we've got level 2, which are those who have just started. A, graduate program. 00:16:06.000 --> 00:16:18.000 At the time of application and level three's those have been in a graduate program but have not completed more than one full academic year. 00:16:18.000 --> 00:16:25.000 Okay. Now level 2 and level 3. They only get one chance to apply. 00:16:25.000 --> 00:16:33.000 So as a graduate student. There's only one chance to apply and that has to be before you complete more than. 00:16:33.000 --> 00:16:44.000 One, more than one full year of graduate study. Then we have level 4 is those who have taken some time off and are returning to the graduate studies. 00:16:44.000 --> 00:16:54.000 Okay. Before I move on, so I mentioned about level twos and level threes. So if you're in your graduate studies, you only get one chance to apply. 00:16:54.000 --> 00:17:09.000 When you're at level one, so if you are about to. You will receive your bachelor's degree or you're between bachelors, you know, receiving your bachelor's degree and starting graduate study. 00:17:09.000 --> 00:17:21.000 Anytime you're in that period, you can apply once per year. Until. You actually Start your graduate education. 00:17:21.000 --> 00:17:26.000 So next slide. 00:17:26.000 --> 00:17:39.000 Okay, let's talk about, some degree programs. We talked broadly about STEM. Being allowed, but there are definitely degree programs that are just off the table. 00:17:39.000 --> 00:17:49.000 So professional degree programs, so as I mentioned, no MD programs, no MBAs. Law schools out, that school's out. 00:17:49.000 --> 00:18:01.000 And anything that's hyphenated. So MDPHD would not be allowed JDPHD, things of that nature. 00:18:01.000 --> 00:18:14.000 Anything that involves community, global or public health. So MPH programs. Not allowed social work programs, MSW programs, not supported by the GRFP. 00:18:14.000 --> 00:18:24.000 Most education programs except for STEM education. Would not be allowed and most humanities programs except for history of science. 00:18:24.000 --> 00:18:30.000 Would not be a lot. Okay, next slide. 00:18:30.000 --> 00:18:38.000 Now within STEM there are areas that are not allowed. In terms of. Research. 00:18:38.000 --> 00:18:51.000 So things that have to do with diagnosis of treatment of disease, animal models of disease, epidemiology, disease prevention, clinical research, patient-oriented research. 00:18:51.000 --> 00:18:58.000 Things of that nature that that have directly health-related goals. Not allowed except for certain areas of computer science, math, physics, engineering, you need to take a look at the solicitation. 00:18:58.000 --> 00:19:13.000 Very carefully before you start writing your research. And then anything, that involves outcomes research. 00:19:13.000 --> 00:19:21.000 So. Treatments, interventions. Research that leads directly to clinical trials, things of that nature. 00:19:21.000 --> 00:19:33.000 Not supported. Any applied research on plant pathology isn't supported. And anything that's intended to work on impacts. 00:19:33.000 --> 00:19:37.000 On food safety not allowed. 00:19:37.000 --> 00:19:43.000 Absolutely what you want to do if you if you're uncertain about. This and what you want to propose to do. 00:19:43.000 --> 00:19:59.000 Take a look at that solicitation. And you know, way it very carefully talk to your advisors and make sure that what you're about to propose if you're going to be eligible. 00:19:59.000 --> 00:20:06.000 For, support. Okay, next line. 00:20:06.000 --> 00:20:13.000 Okay, let's talk about the application. So the complete application. Going to involve several parts. 00:20:13.000 --> 00:20:14.000 Now the 1st of these you'll go if you're interested in doing this you'll go to research. 00:20:14.000 --> 00:20:23.000 Gov and you'll create an account if you don't have one yet And you start your application and the 1st thing you're going to find is a form. 00:20:23.000 --> 00:20:34.000 And it's going to look like all those forms that you filled out when you're applying for, you know, some sort of educational program. 00:20:34.000 --> 00:20:51.000 So you input your personal information, your education, research experience. Proposed major field of study in in graduate school and that's very important that you get that selection right because that is what's guiding. 00:20:51.000 --> 00:20:56.000 The, review of your application. 00:20:56.000 --> 00:21:05.000 Then you list honors awards, publications, whatnot. All pretty standard. Then there are 2. 00:21:05.000 --> 00:21:11.000 Statements that you're going to have to write and these are going to take the bulk of the time. 00:21:11.000 --> 00:21:20.000 So the 1st of these goes by the official title, the personal relevant background and future goals statement. Which I'll refer to as the personal statement. 00:21:20.000 --> 00:21:25.000 And there is the graduate research statement. 00:21:25.000 --> 00:21:32.000 We'll get to a more detailed description of these here. Then you're also going to need to submit transcripts. 00:21:32.000 --> 00:21:40.000 Of every degree granting program that you've been formally enrolled in. And then you're going to. 00:21:40.000 --> 00:21:50.000 Provide names and email addresses for those who are going to provide letters of reference. 00:21:50.000 --> 00:21:57.000 Next slide. 00:21:57.000 --> 00:22:04.000 Okay. So. I believe these have been updated since it says, 2024. So. 00:22:04.000 --> 00:22:14.000 1st thing that you need to realize is that broadly speaking Those applications are due in mid October. 00:22:14.000 --> 00:22:25.000 But as you can see here from this slide. The particular day that they are due. Is based upon the field of study that you're proposing. 00:22:25.000 --> 00:22:34.000 So it starts off with the computer scientists and social sciences and whatnot. They start off on the Monday of that week. 00:22:34.000 --> 00:22:43.000 It proceeds through the week and then on Friday, the chemists, the geoscientists, the math people, that's when their applications are too. 00:22:43.000 --> 00:22:47.000 We end yet again. I've got to tell you, look at the solicitation. It's got detailed application instructions and requirements. 00:22:47.000 --> 00:23:02.000 And make sure you understand those. As you get ready to apply. One thing though, if for whatever reason. 00:23:02.000 --> 00:23:11.000 You require accessibility accommodations. Please send an in, an email to info at GRFP. Sorry, excuse me. 00:23:11.000 --> 00:23:21.000 Take it back. info@andsfgrfp.org. At least 4 weeks before the application deadline. 00:23:21.000 --> 00:23:29.000 Letting them know. What a accommodations you would need. So that they. 00:23:29.000 --> 00:23:42.000 Have sufficient time to work that out, work with you on what the necessary accommodations. Okay. Next slide. 00:23:42.000 --> 00:23:50.000 Okay, as I mentioned, applications are due mid October. And the rest of the timeline goes a little like this. 00:23:50.000 --> 00:23:58.000 So right around the time of application. The reference letters are due, the precise state is going to be noted in the solicitation. 00:23:58.000 --> 00:24:05.000 Make sure you read that and understand them. Okay, the next thing up is if you're at level one. 00:24:05.000 --> 00:24:17.000 You need to make sure to apply to graduate schools because one of the requirements for accepting the fellowship is that you can enter a graduate program. 00:24:17.000 --> 00:24:30.000 In the fall of the year that you've been offered the fellowship. Okay, you don't wanna be scrambling to try to get into a grad program if you've been offered one of these fellowships. 00:24:30.000 --> 00:24:42.000 The fellowship offers go out late March or early April. And then the perspective fellows. Have a few weeks to decide whether or not they're going to accept the award and then. 00:24:42.000 --> 00:24:52.000 Work. With their graduate program to figure out. When which years they might be they might be, actually. 00:24:52.000 --> 00:25:00.000 Taking the stipend support. And then the fellow spear will begin. In that September. 00:25:00.000 --> 00:25:05.000 Okay, next slide. 00:25:05.000 --> 00:25:13.000 Okay, let's take a little into the 2 statements that are required as part of the application. Now we're gonna start with a personal statement. 00:25:13.000 --> 00:25:17.000 Next slide. 00:25:17.000 --> 00:25:25.000 Okay. The personal statement. You've got 3 pages. And this is your opportunity to tell your story. 00:25:25.000 --> 00:25:31.000 And what you're trying to do is you're trying to convince the reviewers that you've got real potential. 00:25:31.000 --> 00:25:41.000 For a career in staff. Okay, so you will detail your experiences. You're talking professional and personal. 00:25:41.000 --> 00:25:51.000 Those that contributed contributed to your motivation and your preparation for pursuing a STEM career. Why? Are you willing to subject yourself to? 00:25:51.000 --> 00:25:56.000 Years of graduate study. What got that fire burning in you? So what are your career aspirations and your future goals? 00:25:56.000 --> 00:26:08.000 You know. What have you done that suggests that you're really good for this and you've got the passion for it? 00:26:08.000 --> 00:26:20.000 And then, you know, just general professional experience. So. For any research that you've engaged in, what was the project, what was your role, how did you become involved, what were you doing? 00:26:20.000 --> 00:26:27.000 And it's always important in these. Statements to let the reviewer know why. Was the project worth doing. 00:26:27.000 --> 00:26:32.000 You know, lousy projects take up as much time as really great projects. So why were you doing it? 00:26:32.000 --> 00:26:42.000 Why was it important? And if you can. Fit the, you know, the particular work that you were doing into the larger. 00:26:42.000 --> 00:26:52.000 Project, that's always good to convey that you have an idea of communicating science on these different, you know, levels, different scopes. 00:26:52.000 --> 00:26:57.000 Next slide. 00:26:57.000 --> 00:27:08.000 Now separately, there is a 2 page research statement that you're going to write and submit. Now, what is important to understand about this is that this is not like a regular research proposal. 00:27:08.000 --> 00:27:23.000 So normally in a research proposal, of the principal investigator would say I'm going to do the following experiments and this is how. 00:27:23.000 --> 00:27:35.000 And then if funding is awarded, that person would be expected to carry out that research. The difference here is that the research statement is meant for you to sort of show off. 00:27:35.000 --> 00:27:44.000 You know, how would you Identify an important problem. And how would you attack it? Now you only have 2 pages. 00:27:44.000 --> 00:27:54.000 Right? So you need to fit in some level of detail to explain your research plan and methods and demonstrate you know what you're talking about, but you can't go into, you know, crazy levels of detail. 00:27:54.000 --> 00:28:04.000 So. You'll focus on, you know, what you're expected to learn, how will you know if the project is successful, and maybe point in, you know, toward future. 00:28:04.000 --> 00:28:13.000 Experimentation with a future direction. It's important in the research statement. You got to keep in mind basic scientific communication. 00:28:13.000 --> 00:28:22.000 You want to avoid jargon. You want to make your contributions clear and you want to communicate clearly for non-specialists. 00:28:22.000 --> 00:28:28.000 Now you might be thinking, why am I communicating to non-specialists? I thought experts were going to review my application. 00:28:28.000 --> 00:28:40.000 Yes, the panels that do the reviews are, you know, some great people. 00:28:40.000 --> 00:28:49.000 You know, more advanced stages of their careers. Got a lot of expertise on these panels, but they may not be an expert in the precise thing you're proposing. 00:28:49.000 --> 00:28:52.000 So you wanna make sure that you don't get overlay involved with your acronyms like NSF does. 00:28:52.000 --> 00:29:03.000 And you want to make sure that everybody understands, you know, what you're getting at. And. 00:29:03.000 --> 00:29:10.000 While I'm here on this slide, my advice to this generally is. Get your friends to read it. 00:29:10.000 --> 00:29:16.000 If they can follow the logic, you're in good shape. Okay, next slide. 00:29:16.000 --> 00:29:20.000 Now. 00:29:20.000 --> 00:29:32.000 In both. The personal statement and the research plan. You have to address the merit criteria that NSF uses. 00:29:32.000 --> 00:29:39.000 Merit review criteria. We're gonna talk about them in a second. But it is very important. 00:29:39.000 --> 00:29:53.000 For you to make sure that in both your personal statement and in your research plan you have separate sections. So they in both these statements they need to have one section that is labeled with a header, intellectual merit. 00:29:53.000 --> 00:30:04.000 And you know it's got some amount of text behind it or under it. That outlines what you see as the intellectual merit of what you're proposing. 00:30:04.000 --> 00:30:17.000 And then as separate section. With a header, broader impacts, and has text underneath it. Letting the reader and reviewer know what the broader impacts of the work. 00:30:17.000 --> 00:30:29.000 Of the application would be. Our advice here is go to. And sfgrfp.org and download the template there. 00:30:29.000 --> 00:30:37.000 For these 2 statements. If you do that and don't. Headed out stuff randomly, you should be fine. 00:30:37.000 --> 00:30:50.000 You should have the right type you should have the right size and you should have these sections in place absolutely important you don't want your application to be knock down because of it missing a section here. 00:30:50.000 --> 00:30:55.000 Next slide. 00:30:55.000 --> 00:31:01.000 Okay, just word about reference letters and transcripts. 00:31:01.000 --> 00:31:10.000 You need reference letters. In order for your application to be accepted, you need to list at least 3 letter writers. 00:31:10.000 --> 00:31:17.000 And in order for your application to go to review, 2, at least 2 letters have to come in. 00:31:17.000 --> 00:31:30.000 To be associated with your application. So to try to hedge your bets. And make sure that you don't get your application ruled and eligible for lack of having letters. 00:31:30.000 --> 00:31:38.000 We allow you to do the following. You can list up to 5. Reference writers, names and email addresses. 00:31:38.000 --> 00:31:41.000 And then. 00:31:41.000 --> 00:31:53.000 3 of those if more than 3 are received, 3 of those will be pulled into the application. So how how does the decision work about which letters are included? 00:31:53.000 --> 00:32:02.000 If there are more than 3. Well, you will list your reference writers in the order that you think the letters will. 00:32:02.000 --> 00:32:07.000 Benefit your application. So if there's somebody who knows you really well, you would want them toward the top. 00:32:07.000 --> 00:32:23.000 Maybe not. They don't know you so well. Maybe down toward the bottom, but The system is set up so that for the application that goes to the reviewers, the system will pull out the top 3. 00:32:23.000 --> 00:32:26.000 Reference letters that come in. 00:32:26.000 --> 00:32:35.000 Okay, about transcripts. You all applications must have a transcript from a bachelor's degree program. 00:32:35.000 --> 00:32:42.000 But just realize that if you've switched into institutions, we're going to need a transcript from all the places where you were. 00:32:42.000 --> 00:32:52.000 Enrolled in a degree granting program. And then if you're. Applying while a graduate student, we need transcripts. 00:32:52.000 --> 00:33:02.000 From the graduate institution as well. If you're early on, it may. Not there may be very little informational content. 00:33:02.000 --> 00:33:06.000 But we still need that because it is confirmation that you're enrolled. In the school. 00:33:06.000 --> 00:33:12.000 Okay, next slide. 00:33:12.000 --> 00:33:16.000 Okay, and then quickly hear the review criteria. Next slide. So as I mentioned, there are 2 merit review criteria. 00:33:16.000 --> 00:33:38.000 Used by the National Science Foundation. So the 1st of these is intellectual merit. And for all grants to come in the question that the reviewers are asked to consider is how important is the proposed activity to advancing knowledge within its own field or across different fields. 00:33:38.000 --> 00:33:49.000 For broader impacts. How well does the proposed activity benefit society or advanced desired societal outcomes? Now, that's for all applications. 00:33:49.000 --> 00:33:57.000 We're all grant proposals to come in. When we're considering the graduate research fellowship program, a fellowship. 00:33:57.000 --> 00:34:06.000 The proposed activity is funding this graduate student applicants or this graduates, the applicant's graduate education. 00:34:06.000 --> 00:34:13.000 There we go. Only took me 6 tries. Okay, next slide. 00:34:13.000 --> 00:34:29.000 So reviewers are asked to look for demonstrated potential. For significant achievement in STEM. So it's not about you know, the grand accomplishments that you have to this point, but what have you done that suggests that you're going to do good work? 00:34:29.000 --> 00:34:43.000 We asked them to take a comprehensive holistic approach to the review and, you know, I just mentioned there are several components the application and the reviewers are asked to give balanced consideration to all of those bits. 00:34:43.000 --> 00:34:49.000 Next slide. 00:34:49.000 --> 00:35:01.000 So, as far as intellectual merit goes, what's evidence of that? Well, you know, that your transcripts are there, so you've got your coursework, your grades, but also What sort of research have you done? 00:35:01.000 --> 00:35:09.000 Are there any presentations that have come out of it or publications? In your research statement. 00:35:09.000 --> 00:35:17.000 Does it look like you could come? Plan and conduct research. Work with the team or independently. 00:35:17.000 --> 00:35:31.000 Take initiative, things that nature. And does your plan? You know, the, Overall arc here of your education and then your career plans. 00:35:31.000 --> 00:35:35.000 Does that all make sense? Does it all seem well plotted? 00:35:35.000 --> 00:35:42.000 Now the reviewers are asked to look for evidence of intellectual merit in all parts of the application. So they're going to be looking through everything. 00:35:42.000 --> 00:35:51.000 Both of the statements, letters, transcripts. Things of that nature. Next slide. 00:35:51.000 --> 00:36:09.000 For broader impacts. It's societal benefits. They can include, but they're not limited to, you know, asking themselves, would funding this applicant's increased participation of the full spectrum of diverse talent and synthes. 00:36:09.000 --> 00:36:20.000 Has the applicant engaged in mentoring say, you know, the next. The next through to come through a lab if that's where the research is being done. 00:36:20.000 --> 00:36:29.000 Have they mentored people there? Or gone into schools to help improve STEM education. Done things to increase scientific literacy. 00:36:29.000 --> 00:36:40.000 Things of this nature. This is going to be unique. And the advantage here is that you are able to draft this and the way that you see fit. 00:36:40.000 --> 00:36:50.000 So it's gonna be different for everybody. You just need to get across Why it would benefit society to fund your graduate education. 00:36:50.000 --> 00:36:55.000 Okay, next slide. 00:36:55.000 --> 00:37:06.000 And. If there's anybody here who already has a PhD. And, is mentoring students as they apply? 00:37:06.000 --> 00:37:15.000 To GRFP, the best way to understand. How to mentor and how to encourage. And. 00:37:15.000 --> 00:37:24.000 How to guide them to preparing the best possible application is if you actually volunteer to be a reviewer. So. 00:37:24.000 --> 00:37:31.000 As I mentioned, there's a section@nsfgrfp.org that is specifically for reviewers. 00:37:31.000 --> 00:37:37.000 There you can apply to be a reviewer. Get an idea of what's involved. 00:37:37.000 --> 00:37:45.000 And, It's a it's a great learning experience. Okay, next slide. 00:37:45.000 --> 00:37:59.000 And one last thing before I go. Okay. So we're rolling out a new program. And this would, we actually, GRFP is not doing this. 00:37:59.000 --> 00:38:07.000 Okay. But NSF. Is and and in particular certain directors are helping fund this initiative. 00:38:07.000 --> 00:38:19.000 This would be, so if you. Apply and you don't quite get the Get an offer of a fellowship, but you do. 00:38:19.000 --> 00:38:23.000 Get a. 00:38:23.000 --> 00:38:37.000 An honorable mention. There will be a second opportunity at a fellowship. And this is going by the the name of the NSF Export Graduate Fellowship Program. 00:38:37.000 --> 00:38:52.000 There are. Institutions from certain states are going to be invited. Are eligible rather to apply for this and they will be successful in So,'ll. 00:38:52.000 --> 00:39:08.000 Have a certain number of fellowships to award to students attending their. Their institution and these would be Again, students who applied for the GRFP and received an honorable mention. 00:39:08.000 --> 00:39:18.000 So, there's gonna be more information that's coming out, but, if you are 00:39:18.000 --> 00:39:27.000 If you are in that position, then realize you will be able to. Go to this website, the e-tap website. 00:39:27.000 --> 00:39:37.000 Register and get more information there again. This is after you apply. Your application has been reviewed, but you get an honorable mention. 00:39:37.000 --> 00:39:47.000 Instead of a fellowship offer. There's an additional opportunity to get. Fellowship support. 00:39:47.000 --> 00:39:54.000 Okay, next slide. 00:39:54.000 --> 00:40:02.000 Thank you for sticking with me for. 35 min or whatever me talking. Again, we've got the 00:40:02.000 --> 00:40:09.000 Sites here and the different sections of that NSF grfp.org site. 00:40:09.000 --> 00:40:18.000 If you again have additional questions. There's the email address info at Nsfgrp. 00:40:18.000 --> 00:40:22.000 And we've got a couple of phone numbers. Down there. Where you can get some direct. 00:40:22.000 --> 00:40:31.000 Correct help on a phone line. And with that, I think I'm going to. 00:40:31.000 --> 00:40:38.000 Be quiet and turn it over to my colleagues. 00:40:38.000 --> 00:40:45.000 Great. As a reminder, if you need to reach NSF by a program directors, here's our contact information. 00:40:45.000 --> 00:40:51.000 And I believe somebody might have asked this question, but we, eventually we'll be posting these slides and recording of the presentation. 00:40:51.000 --> 00:41:00.000 On the DBI blog. So now, we're gonna jump into questions. I know many of them are already answered, in written answers. 00:41:00.000 --> 00:41:03.000 And so please take a look at those. Otherwise, Dan, I'm gonna pass it to you. 00:41:03.000 --> 00:41:13.000 Thank you, Joel. We do have a lot of questions. Have already been answered. And, John, we've got a couple that you're ready to answer live. 00:41:13.000 --> 00:41:29.000 So this 1st one, is for you for applying as a second year graduate student. Does starting graduate studies in the fall the year prior disqualify the applicant this level 3. 00:41:29.000 --> 00:41:51.000 No, as long as it is actually. No more than one academic year. So if you started in September of 2,023 Okay, so you're in your summer semester and by the time the application deadline rolls around in October. 00:41:51.000 --> 00:42:04.000 You will have completed one year and you're in your second year. You're still eligible. However, if you started in June, Okay, June or May? 00:42:04.000 --> 00:42:12.000 Your graduate degree program and that's what it says on your transcript. You will have completed more than one full academic year. 00:42:12.000 --> 00:42:16.000 And you will not be eligible. 00:42:16.000 --> 00:42:18.000 Thank you. That is a bit of a confusing. Aspect of TFP. 00:42:18.000 --> 00:42:25.000 Yes. I know. We know. Where's our Yes, so sorry about that. 00:42:25.000 --> 00:42:41.000 It's just and we do get a lot of queries about that because and I know it's really really convoluted language it's because every time somebody we write something That's why, you know. 00:42:41.000 --> 00:42:55.000 Like legislative bills are like it's the size of what used to be a phone book but they don't exist anymore so nobody knows what they are anyway so it's just We want to make so look at your transcript. 00:42:55.000 --> 00:43:18.000 One academic year. No more than one academic year. That can be 4 quarters, you know 3 semesters, but if you started your degree program in the summer of the previous year so you're actually in your your second summer semester by the fall you'll have an additional semester and you will not be eligible. 00:43:18.000 --> 00:43:24.000 Great. Thank you for that. Next question. In terms of reviewing applications. 00:43:24.000 --> 00:43:32.000 Are there different quotas or standards or levels of critique used for level 1, 2, 3, and 4 applicants? 00:43:32.000 --> 00:43:54.000 Actually, we just give the reviewers the same language that's in the solicitation and then if you if anybody's there who wants to be a reviewer and you can sign up we have lots of training sessions So what we're looking for is potential potential and GRFP has severe FOMO. 00:43:54.000 --> 00:44:02.000 We are really worried about missing out on people. So we want people to apply, but you have to be eligible. 00:44:02.000 --> 00:44:10.000 And so we asked the reviewers to look for potential. You know, look throughout the entire application. It's long, we know. 00:44:10.000 --> 00:44:19.000 Look through the transcripts Lucy your your description what you your personal statements The letters, the letters are very helpful to reviewers because some of you know the applicants, some of the Africans are just going on in their life, they're doing, you know, they're just being awesome. 00:44:19.000 --> 00:44:33.000 And they don't know that they're awesome. But the reference letter writers do. And so they can make comments about that. 00:44:33.000 --> 00:44:44.000 So we just asked them. Now the reviewers for the most part as most programs at NSF, the reviewers are most most of them are faculty at other places. 00:44:44.000 --> 00:45:02.000 And so they have experience. Working with students and so their going to have most likely different expectations of students who have a year of bad school under their belt as opposed to somebody who's still a senior. 00:45:02.000 --> 00:45:06.000 So that's so you have to keep that in mind. 00:45:06.000 --> 00:45:17.000 Right, thank you. The next 2 questions are, I think, kind of similar. So the 1st question says, I applied this past cycle and received an honorable mention. 00:45:17.000 --> 00:45:30.000 Is there anything further I can do other than applying again this year with similar materials and the question right after that says is the recent 2024 honorable mentioned recipient eligible for the upcoming NSF. 00:45:30.000 --> 00:45:41.000 So the 1st question, this is. This is the question that comes to all. Applicants to NSF. 00:45:41.000 --> 00:45:48.000 And most of us started out as applicants. Do NSF or reviewers and then suddenly here we are at MSN. 00:45:48.000 --> 00:46:17.000 Anyway. So you should really address the reviews or read the reviews and try to improve if possible. If you are you are an undergraduate and you're applying as a graduate student remember if you already applied as a graduate student including from while you were pursuing a joint master's, a bachelor's master's program, that's a graduate application and you will not be able to apply again. 00:46:17.000 --> 00:46:23.000 So. So, you know, think what you've done that's that's. 00:46:23.000 --> 00:46:35.000 Different how you improved if there's some areas where a reviewer said you know we ask your strengths and weaknesses you can address the weaknesses That's probably as much as you can do. 00:46:35.000 --> 00:46:45.000 If you are proposed some of that projects or the activities that your research activity that you're proposing might not be eligible. 00:46:45.000 --> 00:46:51.000 If your application gets returned because it's not eligible It's going to be probably not eligible again. 00:46:51.000 --> 00:47:03.000 It's basically research. So please look at the detailed eligibility requirements, the ineligible areas of study and eligible degrees. 00:47:03.000 --> 00:47:07.000 And then look at the exceptions. Look at the exceptions. 00:47:07.000 --> 00:47:09.000 Thank you. Next question. Yes, go ahead. 00:47:09.000 --> 00:47:25.000 Oh, the second one, the reason, 24, the honorable mentioned recipients. So in that program, which is a program in which a university applies to NSF to get a grant and then they will offer the fellowships. 00:47:25.000 --> 00:47:30.000 You will not be applying directly to NSF to get one of these. Episcord graduate fellowships nor will you be applying to GRFP. 00:47:30.000 --> 00:47:45.000 The institutions have to have them and I believe the program is going to allow prior honorable mention recipients. 00:47:45.000 --> 00:47:56.000 Make up to a few, a couple of years. To apply at those institutions. And no, then the institutions make the offers. 00:47:56.000 --> 00:48:02.000 Right. And where would the best place be to get information on? Would that just be the program page? 00:48:02.000 --> 00:48:04.000 So yeah. 00:48:04.000 --> 00:48:06.000 Keep an eye on the program page. 00:48:06.000 --> 00:48:14.000 It would be, and I, if I can put that into, there's a chat that we can put the link into. 00:48:14.000 --> 00:48:23.000 That's a really great resource because it had lists a lot of other programs that students and other people might be eligible for. You can. 00:48:23.000 --> 00:48:28.000 So E-tab. I don't know if it's been included in there because. 00:48:28.000 --> 00:48:49.000 The program was just announced just announced that means proposals haven't been submitted and remember the institutions have to apply then they have to get awards and we're hoping of course that there will be Similar timeline for announcement of what institutions will be getting those. 00:48:49.000 --> 00:49:03.000 Application or honorable, fellowships and honorable mention announcements are usually made in late March, early April, we're trying to get it to late earlier in March, but sometimes it just doesn't happen. 00:49:03.000 --> 00:49:11.000 So once those are inounced, then they would be able to make those those fellowships available. 00:49:11.000 --> 00:49:25.000 So it's ETAP education and training, as I can't remember. Sorry. Thanks. 00:49:25.000 --> 00:49:26.000 Okay. 00:49:26.000 --> 00:49:29.000 Thank you for that question. Alright, next up we have, can the GRFP support 6 months or a year of post master's work. 00:49:29.000 --> 00:49:38.000 Data work and manuscript preparation with my master's advisor. If I'm continuing out to a PhD elsewhere. 00:49:38.000 --> 00:49:44.000 Or could I accept the fellowship but wait to take support until fully enrolled in the PhD program? 00:49:44.000 --> 00:49:47.000 Please look at the JFP solicitation, the detailed eligibility. If you have more than a year of graduate work, you're not eligible to apply at all. 00:49:47.000 --> 00:49:58.000 It is a fellowship program. You're not eligible to apply at all. It is a fellowship program that to apply at all. 00:49:58.000 --> 00:50:07.000 It is a fellowship program that only provides a stipend and tuition to the university. For an individual's graduate education. 00:50:07.000 --> 00:50:13.000 So. 00:50:13.000 --> 00:50:14.000 Oh, great. 00:50:14.000 --> 00:50:17.000 Thank you for that. And. Joel just put, the e-tap, website in the chat so everyone should be able to see that. 00:50:17.000 --> 00:50:34.000 Next question. Is back to the master's degree eligibility and the participants asking can can we go over what makes you ineligible If you have a master's degree, specifically a master's degree, that would be ineligible. 00:50:34.000 --> 00:50:39.000 I think that they're asking what what makes you ineligible if you have a master's degree? 00:50:39.000 --> 00:50:49.000 If you have a master's degree already. And you want to apply. You cannot already be enrolled in a doctoral program. 00:50:49.000 --> 00:50:57.000 Number one and you have to be 2 years past your master's degree award So you got the master's degree. 00:50:57.000 --> 00:51:06.000 2 years ago and you decided you know you wanted to work and then you decide now you want to get a doctoral you want to get a doctorate that's great but you can't have already applied to an enrolled in a doctoral program. 00:51:06.000 --> 00:51:22.000 So if you are a masters degree folder, you have to be 2 years past. The award of the master's degree of any kind, regardless of what kind it was, you had an MPH, whatever, and PA, whatever. 00:51:22.000 --> 00:51:28.000 2 years passed. You can't be enrolled in a doctoral program. So you're unenrolled. 00:51:28.000 --> 00:51:35.000 You're not an at you're actually returning but you haven't returned to graduate school yet. 00:51:35.000 --> 00:51:48.000 Great. Thank you. Next is a perhaps a difficult question to answer. And the participants asking what separates an honorable mention from someone who receives the award. 00:51:48.000 --> 00:52:04.000 What does what extra does and an honorable mention need to become a recipient. I guess they're asking what What's what's the magical special sauce that gets you from honorable mention to award? 00:52:04.000 --> 00:52:08.000 Well, I guess that would be the question that every single submitter to NSF wants to know. 00:52:08.000 --> 00:52:11.000 That's 00:52:11.000 --> 00:52:25.000 Because most of us have what what more strikeouts than hits right So I will say. 00:52:25.000 --> 00:52:33.000 You know, it depends on what it depends on a lot and a lot of it depends on the reviewer. 00:52:33.000 --> 00:52:47.000 And, it's not. A formula or there's not like a you know a checkbox or rubric or whatever it's not we ask our reviewers to bring the full. 00:52:47.000 --> 00:52:59.000 Panoply of their experience and expertise in working with students and in their fields. To, determine whether they think that. 00:52:59.000 --> 00:53:07.000 The applicant has the potential to make a significant contribution to their field. This is not an easy thing to do. 00:53:07.000 --> 00:53:11.000 We know this, they complain about it all the time. And I understand because I used to review of course. 00:53:11.000 --> 00:53:20.000 I used to review and Fellowship. Fellowship reviews are very, very difficult. People are really great. 00:53:20.000 --> 00:53:30.000 They're outstanding and then sometimes there's something buried in an application that you think. Applicant make a more bigger deal of this? Why not? 00:53:30.000 --> 00:53:39.000 Because it was a big deal. But So it's, one thing I would say, and this would something I'd say to, EVEN, any applicant in any program is. 00:53:39.000 --> 00:53:48.000 Don't make it hard for your reviewer to find the important stuff. Make it easy. For them to see. 00:53:48.000 --> 00:53:52.000 And don't bury it. And that really helps because of course they're not going to be reviewing just a handful of these, right? 00:53:52.000 --> 00:54:05.000 NSF asks not only a lot of its PIs and its applicants, but it asks a lot of its reviewers as well. 00:54:05.000 --> 00:54:23.000 So make it easy for the reviewers to see how great you are. Your contributions. Your reference writers can say this person made a key contribution and it was all there idea but make it easier for them to see how great it. 00:54:23.000 --> 00:54:30.000 How great your contribution and you are as an applicant. 00:54:30.000 --> 00:54:31.000 You're one. Could I have something? 00:54:31.000 --> 00:54:32.000 Thank you for that. Next up, Yeah, yeah, Sally. 00:54:32.000 --> 00:54:33.000 Alright. 00:54:33.000 --> 00:54:48.000 In addition to all the gentlemen said, which is the primary. Criteria. There are times when the budget doesn't allow more applications to be awarded. 00:54:48.000 --> 00:54:59.000 And therefore you end up in honorable mention. Honorable mentioned it's a great honor. And that's why we instituted this EGF. 00:54:59.000 --> 00:55:05.000 I just want to mention that because this year we had a cut in the budget. 00:55:05.000 --> 00:55:06.000 Thank you. 00:55:06.000 --> 00:55:16.000 Yes, we did. It was. Very, very, very painful. Last year we were able to offer 2,500 and this year. 00:55:16.000 --> 00:55:17.000 We were not. So. 00:55:17.000 --> 00:55:28.000 Yeah, it's a critically important thing to keep in mind. Throughout. The your entire career if you're interacting with any federal agency at any career stage. 00:55:28.000 --> 00:55:38.000 Next question is, if I took graduate credit class during my undergraduate degree but did not stay for the master's degree, and only received my B. 00:55:38.000 --> 00:55:46.000 And now in my 1st year of a PhD at a different institution. Am I still eligible? 00:55:46.000 --> 00:55:59.000 So if you didn't stay for the master's degree, so it was like a joint degree, you should you should mention that but all all of the degrees it may be you you're still no more than one academic graduate year. 00:55:59.000 --> 00:56:10.000 You there's a an LSFGRF. Org there's a decision tree you know you can go in. 00:56:10.000 --> 00:56:16.000 What level am I? So you can go use the decision tree because You know, as we're talking here, you might hear me, might not. 00:56:16.000 --> 00:56:21.000 I might come out. I might cut out. My internet might cut out. I talk to you fast. 00:56:21.000 --> 00:56:40.000 So go to the nsfj.org site. Us the decision tree and then if you're really after doing the decision tree it's still not clear then you could email info@nsfgrp.org and ask about with the eligibility and how you might be able to make, make clear that you are eligible. 00:56:40.000 --> 00:56:49.000 If you have no more than one academic year. A graduate study. 00:56:49.000 --> 00:56:50.000 Hmm. 00:56:50.000 --> 00:56:58.000 Yep. Another couple of questions about eligibility, but I'm actually, that last answer was really relevant, to these next 2 questions as well. We're running a little short on time. 00:56:58.000 --> 00:57:04.000 I'm gonna jump to one of the questions down below and it says how are reviewers matched to applicants? 00:57:04.000 --> 00:57:09.000 How closely familiar are the reviewers to the topic usually. 00:57:09.000 --> 00:57:25.000 So it's kind of like a little bit like doing graduate admissions. A little bit. So they're not going to be necessarily specifically experts in your specific area, especially if you're going to be a doctoral student, you're going to be the expert. 00:57:25.000 --> 00:57:33.000 At some point, right? So, we try to make sure that their expertise is relatively matched. 00:57:33.000 --> 00:57:38.000 So I'm a neuroscientist most likely I would not be looking at virology. 00:57:38.000 --> 00:57:51.000 Okay. So, you know, stuff like that. So, but to make clear, we tell the reviewers and they can add, I can't, I can't remember up to 5 areas of expertise. 00:57:51.000 --> 00:57:57.000 We tell the reviewers and we tell you the applicants they're going to be reviewing broadly. 00:57:57.000 --> 00:58:21.000 And we asked them to look for, you know, hints of evidence of potential in other parts of the application because like You know, you're doing something, but you happen to do something on a sign aside from your bachelor's degree for example and you did some amazing additional activity. 00:58:21.000 --> 00:58:29.000 I'm blanking on right now. Maybe a whole bunch of broadening participation activities or you started a nonprofit that did Amazing things in your community. 00:58:29.000 --> 00:58:38.000 Something to show that you have spark creativity, innovation, ideas, can you bring that to your research? 00:58:38.000 --> 00:58:46.000 That would be really great because if science needs anything, it's creativity, spark in a nation. 00:58:46.000 --> 00:58:49.000 So we ask them to look for that. 00:58:49.000 --> 00:58:57.000 We're, thank you. And I think this will probably be the last question. If you received an honorable mention last year, is it worth mentioning in this year's application? 00:58:57.000 --> 00:59:06.000 That's up to you. You know, I think, It's something that's nationally and it's published. 00:59:06.000 --> 00:59:12.000 Unless you don't want to have your name. Identified as getting an honorable mention, it's published. 00:59:12.000 --> 00:59:19.000 So, because that as you see it is a significant Achievement. This is a large program. 00:59:19.000 --> 00:59:29.000 Our national program, a relatively low success rate. We got 14,000 applications last year. 00:59:29.000 --> 00:59:36.000 Thank you, John. Michael Persons says hi to Sally. And I'll turn it back over to Joel. 00:59:36.000 --> 00:59:37.000 Thank you. 00:59:37.000 --> 00:59:38.000 Okay. 00:59:38.000 --> 00:59:39.000 Yeah, thank you. Thank you. Well, thank you again for presenting on the GRFFP program. 00:59:39.000 --> 00:59:51.000 And you do have the, contact information and a very informative website. And you do have the, contact information and a very informative website, forgetting more of your questions answered. 00:59:51.000 --> 00:59:54.000 Forgetting more of your questions answered. Thank you all for joining us and, we'll try and have everything posted, for getting more of your questions answered. 00:59:54.000 --> 00:59:58.000 Thank you all for joining us and we'll try and have everything posted, if you don't see it by then. 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